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- From: yshan@bcarh697.bnr.ca (Yogi Shan)
- Subject: Re: Research information
- Message-ID: <1994Jun8.211107.26019@bcarh54a.bnr.ca>
- Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 21:11:07 GMT
-
- Lamont Granquist (lamont@hyperreal.com) wrote:
- : synner@cyberspace.com (Ben Lincoln) writes:
- : >Hello. I'm doing a research project on various psychedelics and I was
- : >wondering if anyone here has information on any of the following substances:
- : > BZ, STP, and MK-801
- : BZ comes up frequently on alt.drugs, but all i ever bother to remember is
- : that its nasty...
-
- BZ = 3-quinuclidinyl benzillate
-
- Developed in the '50s; stockpiled as a non-lethal
- chemical warfare agent by U.S. DoD until the early '80s.
-
- Related to the JB-series (eg. Ditran) of benzillate
- ester hallucinogens.
-
- Synthesis is simple, if I recall correctly: esterify
- 3-quinuclidinol with benzillic acid. I believe it
- made a very brief appearance on the streets as either
- "TWA" or "DMZ" during the '60s, according to published
- sources. I believe the effects are of the deliriant-
- type, similar to datura/belladonna/atropine.
-
- Further info, including tox data may be found in
- the "Merck Index", available in the Reference section
- of any decent library.
-
-
- Yogi
-
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- Message-ID: <5QQYd2N3zI@bion101.bionic.zer.de>
- From: M.LIEBERMANN@BIONIC.zer.de (Martin Liebermann)
- Subject: Re: Research information
- Date: Tue, 07 Jun 1994 21:16:00 +0200
-
- [text deleted -cak]
-
- About BZ i found the following news in my archive:
- ---------------------snip------------------------------------------------------
-
- Nachricht von : bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (William E. White )
- Betrifft : Re: Your worst nightmare
- Erstellungsdatum : 06.02.1994 14:19:29 W+0:00
-
- In article <lonewolfCKqK9q.B9u@netcom.com>,
- Joseph E. Gladstone <lonewolf@netcom.com> wrote:
- >: Sounds like BZ to me. I guess it's closely related to nerve gas. The feature
- >: film "Jacob's Ladder" portrayed BZ experiments in Vietnam during the war.
- >: Jody
-
- >No way - BZ lasts for quite a while depending on doseage, 8 - 72 hours.
- >Cholinergics produce wierd effects, but not predictably nightmarish.
-
- Actually, BZ (quinuclidinol benzilate, or QNB) is an anticholinergic,
- acting specifically on muscarinic receptors. It is extremely potent (and
- is, in fact, used in research for its antimuscarinic properties). It
- also seems to have a greater LD50/ED50 ratio than other antimuscarinics
- (such as atropine, scopolamine, etc). But I wouldn't try it, it's still
- not particularly safe. Incidentally, it has been reported to tend to
- induce nightmarish hallucinations/delusions (I could never find out why).
- In any case, I can imagine that in a combat situation, one could easily
- find onesself in a bad trip.
-
-
- (Bad ASCII drawing to follow):
-
-
- ASCII drawing of QNB (sorry, not too great. The two rings on the top
- and bottom are phenyl groups).
-
-
- / \\
- N || |
- / \ \ O \ //
- | | | || |
- | | |__O--C-----C--O--H
- \ / / |
- / \\
- || |
- \ //
-
-
-
-
- --
- | Bill White +1-614-594-3434 | bwhite@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu |
- | 31 Curran Dr., Athens OH 45701 | bwhite@bigbird.cs.ohiou.edu (alternate) |
- | SCA: Erasmus Marwick, Dernehealde Pursuivant, Dernehealde, Middle Kingdom |
-
- ---------------snap-----------------------------------------------------------
-
-
- MK-801 I've never heard of.
-
- Greetings
-
- Martin Liebermann
-
- M.Liebermann@bionic.zer.de * PGP-key available * fon/fax +49 +521 446729
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- From: lamont@hyperreal.com (Lamont Granquist)
- Newsgroups: alt.drugs
- Subject: Re: Research information
- Date: 10 Jun 1994 04:56:42 GMT
- Message-ID: <2t8rqa$1h8@news.u.washington.edu>
-
- [quoted text deleted -cak]
-
- --- forwarded from e-mail ---
-
- From: keith@marlin.ssnet.com (Keith MaloneyHuss)
- To: lamont@hyperreal.com
- Subject: Re: Research information
- Newsgroups: alt.drugs
- Date: Tue, 7 Jun 94 18:52:05 EDT
-
- BZ is the benzoicc acid ester of 3-Quinuclidinol. I believe it was
- explored as a chemical warfare incapicitating agent by the CIA.
- I know Dr. James Moore who used to be a prof at the U of DE and
- made compounds for the CIA. He tells some amazing tales.
-
- Case in point: He made BZ for the CIA and got some on his
- hands. He felt very disoriented. "I felt like the whole world turned
- sideways on me." This effect lasted for days and so he asked the big
- boys at the CIA how to get back. They told him to take some THA
- (tetrahydroacridine) that is now used as an experimental Alzheimers
- treatment. He claims it straightened him right out.
-
- MK-801 is a sigma opiate receptor agonist (I think) not sure about that one.
-
- Forward this anon to alt.drugs if you think it is worth it.
-
- Thanks.
-
- --keith
-
- --
- Lamont Granquist (lamont@hyperreal.com)
- "And then the alien anthropologists - Admitted they were still perplexed - But
- on eliminating every other reason - For our sad demise - They logged the only
- explanation left - This species has amused itself to death" -- Roger Waters
-
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